Of course there's a hell... the Co-Redeemer's need it to preach God punishes twice for the same sins...

[unknown]

Everybody knows a place where the wicked go to burn for infinity was concocted by the ancient philosophers with Plato getting the lion's
share of the credit for it. Well, that's just fine for the ancient philosopher's but how did such a thing as his hell, where the wicked
burn immortally for infinity, ever creep into Christianity ? One would think that the Bible being the only rule of faith and practice for
people calling themselves Christians it should have never crept into Christendom... it should have been dispelled as a concoction coming
from the world whose only rule of faith and practice is just that... the world. But it didn't.

It's a lie to preach a burning hell for the wicked. Co-Redemption gospels need a tormenting hell to scare people into the assumption that
since Christ died for every one it's now up to man to " invite Jesus into his heart " so as to avoid Plato's burning hell. The scare tactic
is usually the last resort the Co-Redeemer's have when all else fails to convince. It's the same as threatening a condemned person with the
electric chair which he can avoid if he would only agree to the speaker's philosophy.

In the scheme of a burning hell where the wicked go on to a number of lies against God come to bear. The Co-Redemption gospels claim Christ
already died for every one but now some good must come from you to seal the deal so to speak, and get yourself saved. Giving your heart to
Jesus is the usual banter. The smart thinker would ask " How come Christ already paid for my sins and yet I go on to burn in hell if I
don't give my heart to Jesus ? Don't I go on to hell for sins ? " An appropriate question but one that is never asked. The appropriate
answer coming from a Co-Redeemer would be " because you do not believe."

With this quip enter's another lie of Co-Redemption. In Jn.16:9 Christ tells us that unbelief is sin. Well, if unbelief is sin and Christ
died for sin how do Co-Redemption gospels answer this ? Why must I fill their condition of believing by " inviting Jesus into my heart to
become saved ? " The Co-Redeemer, at this point, is dumbfounded and must slink away from the conversation. He proves the Bible is not his
only rule of faith and practice... denominational traditions are and denominational traditions have no answer for this. They expose
themselves as preaching Jesus Christ as the failed Savior of the whole world who died for all sins of every one but failed to die for the
sin of unbelief... I cure that evil myself by " inviting Jesus into my heart."

If I reject the Co-Redeemer's offer to invite Jesus into my heart I'm threaten by him with Plato's hell. So, my question to the Co-Redeemer
would be... " I'm sent to burn in some philosopher's burning hell for Christ having paid for all of my sins including my sin of unbelief ?"
Again, the Co-Redeemer paints himself into the corner of the Bible being his only rule of faith and practice which he himself evidences is
not.

There's more yet to come. If I'm sent to Plato's hell to burn for ever and ever for the sins Christs paid for on my behalf how come Christ
is risen ? " Since burning in hell for sins is for ever and ever then Christ is still there paying for the sins of the whole world... He is
not risen. And, if the wages of sin is death, Ro.6:23, how come I have eternal life so I can burn for ever and ever ? I thought only
God's elect are given eternal life. Do you mean to tell me I'm immortal just so I can burn in Plato's hell for rejecting Christ ? Do you
mean to tell me Christ died for me and gave back my sins so I could reject Him since unbelief is sin ? What kind of Bible do you trust in
which you claim is your only rule of faith and practice ?

Those not intelligent enough to know what a Co-Redeemer is offering... they steer away from those of brain damage, brain disease and
insanity since these folks don't have the smarts to make rational decisions let alone decisions to invite Jesus into their hearts, which
once again evidences Co-Redemption and those who preach it as ambassador's of different gospels... they preach God is biased in favor of
smart people.

Furthermore, if Christ died for sins and I reject Him and I'm condemned to Plato's hell for ever and ever of what value to the world is
Christ's dying in every ones place ? ... God is punishing twice for the same sins... once on Christ and once again on me. Sounds like a
completely failed Savior and this is exactly what Co-Redeemer's preach.

Christendom is decreed by God to cease to exist, 2 Thes 2. Co-Redemption is one of the means so decreed.

[James]

Post by unknown
Everybody knows a place where the wicked go to burn for infinity was concocted by the ancient philosophers with Plato getting the lion's
share of the credit for it. Well, that's just fine for the ancient philosopher's but how did such a thing as his hell, where the wicked
burn immortally for infinity, ever creep into Christianity ? One would think that the Bible being the only rule of faith and practice for
people calling themselves Christians it should have never crept into Christendom... it should have been dispelled as a concoction coming
from the world whose only rule of faith and practice is just that... the world. But it didn't.
It's a lie to preach a burning hell for the wicked.

It's not only a lie, but it is a degradation to God. He is supposed to
be a God of love. (1 Jo 4:8) When are both “love” and “torture” inside
a sane personality?

In the Bible “hell” (sheol, hades) is where ALL the dead go to. Both
good and bad. Thus “hell” represents the graves of all of mankind
collectively. While in hell, all “his thoughts perish” (Ps 146:3,4)
thus the dead “know nothing” (Ec 9:5,10)

That is why Job wanted to go to “hell” to get RELIEF from all his
pain, not to add to it. Job 14:13,

"Who will grant me this, that thou mayst protect me in hell [sheol],
and hide me till thy wrath pass, and appoint me a time when thou wilt
remember me?" (Douay) (brackets mine)

James, John 17:17, www.jw.org

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Co-Redemption gospels need a tormenting hell to scare people into the assumption that
since Christ died for every one it's now up to man to " invite Jesus into his heart " so as to avoid Plato's burning hell. The scare tactic
is usually the last resort the Co-Redeemer's have when all else fails to convince. It's the same as threatening a condemned person with the
electric chair which he can avoid if he would only agree to the speaker's philosophy.
In the scheme of a burning hell where the wicked go on to a number of lies against God come to bear. The Co-Redemption gospels claim Christ
already died for every one but now some good must come from you to seal the deal so to speak, and get yourself saved. Giving your heart to
Jesus is the usual banter. The smart thinker would ask " How come Christ already paid for my sins and yet I go on to burn in hell if I
don't give my heart to Jesus ? Don't I go on to hell for sins ? " An appropriate question but one that is never asked. The appropriate
answer coming from a Co-Redeemer would be " because you do not believe."
With this quip enter's another lie of Co-Redemption. In Jn.16:9 Christ tells us that unbelief is sin. Well, if unbelief is sin and Christ
died for sin how do Co-Redemption gospels answer this ? Why must I fill their condition of believing by " inviting Jesus into my heart to
become saved ? " The Co-Redeemer, at this point, is dumbfounded and must slink away from the conversation. He proves the Bible is not his
only rule of faith and practice... denominational traditions are and denominational traditions have no answer for this. They expose
themselves as preaching Jesus Christ as the failed Savior of the whole world who died for all sins of every one but failed to die for the
sin of unbelief... I cure that evil myself by " inviting Jesus into my heart."
If I reject the Co-Redeemer's offer to invite Jesus into my heart I'm threaten by him with Plato's hell. So, my question to the Co-Redeemer
would be... " I'm sent to burn in some philosopher's burning hell for Christ having paid for all of my sins including my sin of unbelief ?"
Again, the Co-Redeemer paints himself into the corner of the Bible being his only rule of faith and practice which he himself evidences is
not.
There's more yet to come. If I'm sent to Plato's hell to burn for ever and ever for the sins Christs paid for on my behalf how come Christ
is risen ? " Since burning in hell for sins is for ever and ever then Christ is still there paying for the sins of the whole world... He is
not risen. And, if the wages of sin is death, Ro.6:23, how come I have eternal life so I can burn for ever and ever ? I thought only
God's elect are given eternal life. Do you mean to tell me I'm immortal just so I can burn in Plato's hell for rejecting Christ ? Do you
mean to tell me Christ died for me and gave back my sins so I could reject Him since unbelief is sin ? What kind of Bible do you trust in
which you claim is your only rule of faith and practice ?
Those not intelligent enough to know what a Co-Redeemer is offering... they steer away from those of brain damage, brain disease and
insanity since these folks don't have the smarts to make rational decisions let alone decisions to invite Jesus into their hearts, which
once again evidences Co-Redemption and those who preach it as ambassador's of different gospels... they preach God is biased in favor of
smart people.
Furthermore, if Christ died for sins and I reject Him and I'm condemned to Plato's hell for ever and ever of what value to the world is
Christ's dying in every ones place ? ... God is punishing twice for the same sins... once on Christ and once again on me. Sounds like a
completely failed Savior and this is exactly what Co-Redeemer's preach.
Christendom is decreed by God to cease to exist, 2 Thes 2. Co-Redemption is one of the means so decreed.

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Post by unknown
Everybody knows a place where the wicked go to burn for infinity was concocted by the ancient philosophers with Plato getting the lion's
share of the credit for it. Well, that's just fine for the ancient philosopher's but how did such a thing as his hell, where the wicked
burn immortally for infinity, ever creep into Christianity ? One would think that the Bible being the only rule of faith and practice for
people calling themselves Christians it should have never crept into Christendom... it should have been dispelled as a concoction coming
from the world whose only rule of faith and practice is just that... the world. But it didn't.
It's a lie to preach a burning hell for the wicked. Co-Redemption gospels need a tormenting hell to scare people into the assumption that
since Christ died for every one it's now up to man to " invite Jesus into his heart " so as to avoid Plato's burning hell. The scare tactic
is usually the last resort the Co-Redeemer's have when all else fails to convince. It's the same as threatening a condemned person with the
electric chair which he can avoid if he would only agree to the speaker's philosophy.
In the scheme of a burning hell where the wicked go on to a number of lies against God come to bear. The Co-Redemption gospels claim Christ
already died for every one but now some good must come from you to seal the deal so to speak, and get yourself saved. Giving your heart to
Jesus is the usual banter. The smart thinker would ask " How come Christ already paid for my sins and yet I go on to burn in hell if I
don't give my heart to Jesus ? Don't I go on to hell for sins ? " An appropriate question but one that is never asked. The appropriate
answer coming from a Co-Redeemer would be " because you do not believe."
With this quip enter's another lie of Co-Redemption. In Jn.16:9 Christ tells us that unbelief is sin. Well, if unbelief is sin and Christ
died for sin how do Co-Redemption gospels answer this ? Why must I fill their condition of believing by " inviting Jesus into my heart to
become saved ? " The Co-Redeemer, at this point, is dumbfounded and must slink away from the conversation. He proves the Bible is not his
only rule of faith and practice... denominational traditions are and denominational traditions have no answer for this. They expose
themselves as preaching Jesus Christ as the failed Savior of the whole world who died for all sins of every one but failed to die for the
sin of unbelief... I cure that evil myself by " inviting Jesus into my heart."
If I reject the Co-Redeemer's offer to invite Jesus into my heart I'm threaten by him with Plato's hell. So, my question to the Co-Redeemer
would be... " I'm sent to burn in some philosopher's burning hell for Christ having paid for all of my sins including my sin of unbelief ?"
Again, the Co-Redeemer paints himself into the corner of the Bible being his only rule of faith and practice which he himself evidences is
not.
There's more yet to come. If I'm sent to Plato's hell to burn for ever and ever for the sins Christs paid for on my behalf how come Christ
is risen ? " Since burning in hell for sins is for ever and ever then Christ is still there paying for the sins of the whole world... He is
not risen. And, if the wages of sin is death, Ro.6:23, how come I have eternal life so I can burn for ever and ever ? I thought only
God's elect are given eternal life. Do you mean to tell me I'm immortal just so I can burn in Plato's hell for rejecting Christ ? Do you
mean to tell me Christ died for me and gave back my sins so I could reject Him since unbelief is sin ? What kind of Bible do you trust in
which you claim is your only rule of faith and practice ?
Those not intelligent enough to know what a Co-Redeemer is offering... they steer away from those of brain damage, brain disease and
insanity since these folks don't have the smarts to make rational decisions let alone decisions to invite Jesus into their hearts, which
once again evidences Co-Redemption and those who preach it as ambassador's of different gospels... they preach God is biased in favor of
smart people.
Furthermore, if Christ died for sins and I reject Him and I'm condemned to Plato's hell for ever and ever of what value to the world is
Christ's dying in every ones place ? ... God is punishing twice for the same sins... once on Christ and once again on me. Sounds like a
completely failed Savior and this is exactly what Co-Redeemer's preach.
Christendom is decreed by God to cease to exist, 2 Thes 2. Co-Redemption is one of the means so decreed.

If hellfire is practiced, it is practiced by sadists. For only a
sadist would burn people alive.

Does righteous justice require torture?

Of course not. There are many civil ways to punish the wicked. Burning
them alive to death is not one of them.

God does not TORTURE wicked people in fire or any other way. Would
you punish a disobedient child by burning his hand on a hot burner?
Would not the police come and arrest you? Why? Because such an act
would be considered sadistic and repugnant. This accusation against
God is brought about by God's archenemy, Satan, who calls God a liar
but it is he who is the real liar. (Ge 3:4) God's way of dealing with
unrepentant wicked humans is to execute them so as they cease to
exist.

Ro 6:7,

"because anyone who has died has been freed from sin." (NIV)

Yes, death itself removes sin. By torturing people after they died
would be punishing "sinless" people. That certainly would not befit a
God of love. (1Jo 4:8)

Is God like the lunatic Nazi criminal Adolf Eichmann who burned many
many thousands of people?

The burning of living human beings (even for punishment) is repulsive
to most rational people. Governments and civil authorities will
punish anyone who would do such a thing. And the civil authorities
don't use burning alive criminals as a form of punishment. Are they
more righteous than God?
The prophet Jeremiah under inspiration wrote at Jer 7:31,

"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben
Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did
not command, nor did it enter my mind." (NIV)

No, burning people in a fire NEVER EVEN ENTERED INTO GOD'S MIND. He is
not a sadistic God, but is a God of love. (1 Joh 4:8) Satan would like
you to believe that God is sadistic, but it is Satan that is, not
Jehovah God.

Concerning hell, many preachers preach from the pulpit that the wicked
are damned to eternal fire in hell. I used to hear that from my church
(Catholic) But they hardly ever (if at all) preached the rest of the
verses on that subject. That:

(1) hell gives up its inhabitants. Then they are judged (Re 20:13 ) I
never heard any religions teach that. I was always taught that you
were judged first, then tossed into hell, and that once you were
there, you were there forever.

(2) hell is tossed into a "lake of fire". (Re 20:14) So there must be
two "hells". One is tossed (after it is emptied of its occupants) into
the other "hell" (lake of fire). Have you ever heard that preached
from the pulpit?

(3) when the people are removed from "hell" (hades), only the ones
that are not written in the book of life are tossed into the 2nd
'hellfire' place. (Re 20:14) Thus the inference is that some people
who get out of "hell" are not destroyed in the "lake of fire". What
happens to them? And if some people that get out of hell get their
names written in the "book of life", that means that some righteous
people were tossed into hell. Have you ever heard that taught from the
pulpit?

(4) If people are being burned alive in a 'hellfire' place, then they
are still living forever, although not under the best of conditions.
Yet the Bible says that the reward for being righteous is having your
name in the book of "life" (Re 20:14). Notice 1 Jo 2:17,

"The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of
God lives forever." (NIV)

The Bible consistently contrasts "life" and "death", not "life" and a
"life of torture".

So if a religion teaches that people are burning forever in hellfire,
then they are 'living forever'. Thus they must have done "the will of
God". But if they have done the will God, what are they doing in that
despicable place?

NO, the bottom line is that the Bible does not teach of such a literal
place as hellfire. The word hell (when taken from the Greek word
"hades") means the grave. Thus the meaning of Re 20:13 becomes clear.
"Hell" (the common grave of dead mankind), gives up its dead by means
of the coming general resurrection (Ac 24:15) After the judgment
period is over, those who have been judged as wicked, will be forever
destroyed (tossed into the symbolic lake of fire), never to be
resurrected again. They will experience the permanent "second death".
Those who were judged as righteous, will get to live forever. Then
even "death" and the grave itself (hades) will be done away with
because those righteous ones that are left will never die. There is no
demonic torturing here, only righteous judgment from a merciful and
loving God.

James, John 17:17, www.jw.org





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